Is Drake A Culture Vulture? | For The Record


Rob Markman: I can’t wrap my head around is
the culture vulture is the worst of the worst. Seren Sensei: I think it’s a culture vulture
because he does it with everything. When he’s trying to appeal to a southern audience
he hops on the, quote unquote, southern wave. When he’s trying to appeal to a Caribbean
audience, he hops on the Caribbean wave. When he’s trying to appeal to a UK audience
and do a world tour, he hops on the UK wave. He’s taking pictures with MacGregor. Drake is an Animorph. He changes every time. Mouse Jones: You gotta respect that! He’s not just doing it on records. Son is literally going in and changes the
way he dresses and acts for this time period. He’s co opting accents? Seren Sensei: That’s what makes people uncomfortable. Rob Markman: What’s up geniuses? Welcome back to For the Record, I am your
host Rob Markman. Now it’s no secret that Drake is one of the
biggest artists in music, if not the biggest. With that always comes some criticism doesn’t
it, right? You take the hits, you gotta take the criticism. He’s always changing the popular trends in
music, reflecting the popular trends in music, and UK rapper Wiley is saying that Drake’s
using of the trending sounds, especially in the UK, called him a culture vulture. Now Drake’s been accused of this before but
what’s particularly interesting is that he responded to it on BBC Radio. And now we gonna respond to his response of
Wiley’s accusation, and I got a panel with me. First up, first time guest on For the Record
but long time friend, my man Meka Udoh. Label development manager at Ingrooves Music
Group, co-founder of 2DopeBoyz, and just one of the dopest DJ’s in the world. Man, Meka, what up? Meka Udoh: What’s going on Rob? How you doing man? Rob Markman: You gotta wear that. You know what I’m saying? We give it to you, you gotta wear that man. Meka Udoh: Yeah, I mean, I do a lot. Rob Markman: Next up, no stranger to the show
is one of my good friends, just celebrated a birthday out here, you know what I’m saying? My man Mouse Jones, host of The Clubhouse
Podcast, BET’s Colorways and Toeboxes … I’m missing some shows here, right? Mouse Jones: Guys Next Door. Rob Markman: Guys Next Door. Mouse Jones: Tunnel Takedown on Complex. Rob Markman: Tunnel Takedown on Complex. Mouse Jones: We’re doing a few. Rob Markman: Complex, BET, Loud Speakers Network. Mouse Jones: Hey, we’re doing a little bit
of something. Rob Markman: Well I’m just glad you still
make it. Mouse Jones: Just happy to be here. Rob Markman: I’m still glad you make time
for us, man. Mouse Jones: Y’all changed it up too, look
at this. Rob Markman: We had to step it up Mouse Jones. Seren Sensei: Cause you were coming in. Rob Markman: And finally we have for the first
time ever on For the Record, cultural critic Seren Sensei. What’s going on, how you doing? Seren Sensei: Thank you, I’m good. Thank you for having me. Rob Markman: Thank you for coming, you came
all the way from DC as well. Seren Sensei: I did, yes. DC, I had to represent for DC. Rob Markman: She was like, “It’s not that
far.” And then … Mouse Jones: It’s really not. Seren Sensei: It’s not! That’s what I said. Rob Markman: I commute from Staten Island,
so I’m like, man, this is about the same. Mouse Jones: It’s about the same. Seren Sensei: Three hours on a train, three
hours in a car, same difference. Rob Markman: Right, same difference. All right, let’s get into it now. Let’s take it back a little bit, Wiley tweeted
that Drake was a culture vulture last month, right. After Drake was seen at local UK rapper Loski’s
show in London. And then Drake addressed it on BBC Radio 1’s
1Xtra Rap Show. He said … Am I gonna do my Drake impression? Rob Markman: “I hate that people think me
…” I think … He said … Tings. He said, “I hate that people think that me
being into music from these kids that are trying to make it and build a name for themselves
is like, ‘oh that’s some culture vulture.’ What does that even mean? I don’t understand what that means, would
you rather me not acknowledge or support?” Rob Markman: I was surprised that Drake even
responded to the Wiley tweet. Seems like he kind of opened the door. Him acknowledging this, are we surprised at
this? Mouse Jones: I am, but I’m also not because
hit dogs holler. Seren Sensei: Exactly. Mouse Jones: Hit dogs always holler. Seren Sensei: I agree. Mouse Jones: So, that one hurt him. That one hurt him and he’s like … I mean
that’s a weak ass response, even from him. He had some weak ass responses. Duppy. In the pantheon of Drake responses this is
the most moist as it gets, like “What do you want me to do?” Not really acknowledging, I mean, not putting
these kids on. For every time you hear something, you go
do the exact same thing and then you don’t bring anybody up, you don’t bring anybody
on. So, what do you expect? People are not going to just keep sitting
by and watch you take from their culture and make money and profit. And not at the least, put anybody from that
culture and community on so they can do the same thing for their people. Come on son, somebody got to say something. Rob Markman: Drake hasn’t put people on? Mouse Jones: Who? Meka Udoh: You can’t necessarily say he hasn’t
put anybody on. Mouse Jones: That’s why I asked who? Seren Sensei: Okay, who from the UK grime
scene has he put on? Since we talking about that specifically. Meka Udoh: I won’t even say he hasn’t necessarily
put people on, on the grime scene, but he has shown them support throughout his last
couple albums. Seren Sensei: I feel like there’s a difference
between quote unquote showing people support, and like biting or wave riding or clout chasing,
whatever you want to call it. Which is sort of what we’re talking about. It’s like, if you see up and coming artists
and young artists and you hop on their song … It’s not like Drake is coming out with
his own original stuff and bringing a lot of people on, which is what I think Mouse
is saying, to like big them up or even get them some type of mainstream crossover quote
unquote appeal here in the United States or anything like that. It’s more of like, Drake sees stuff that’s
already bubbling and then he sort of inserts himself, and then nine times out of ten what
ends up happening is he absorbs them into his entity. And then once he’s done with them he leaves
them like some trash by the wayside. And I think a lot of people are starting to
have a problem with that. Rob Markman: What is he supposed to do? And it’s funny, cause we talked about this
before the mics went on, usually when we talked about the Pusha T battle, I’m usually on the
other side of Drake, I’m on “Pusha won that.” Or when we talk about the Quentin thing, I’ve
talked about this many times, and now here I am on the show defending Drake. Seren Sensei: 2019 has been a wild year. Rob Markman: Look man, if Drake hops on your
song there’s a benefit attached to that. Mouse Jones: And then what? Rob Markman: What do you mean “And then what?” Then it’s on you. Mouse Jones: There’s not a benefit to you,
it’s a benefit to that one specific song and we’ve seen that over and over. Rob Markman: Your specific song, your song. Mouse Jones: But the song does not become
your song, the song becomes his song. Seren Sensei: Drake’s song. Rob Markman: Not when the publishing checks
come. Meka Udoh: This is where I disagree, because
if he ends up on your song you get a significant boost in your profile. What you do with that profile is up to you. He can’t carry you to the promise land, he
can only do what he can. Rob Markman: Let’s go back one sec, cause
I think that the question is, and both you are making valid points, right, and I think
we’re going to get into it deeper but the accusation is that he’s a culture vulture. Mouse Jones: And that’s a fact. Rob Markman: Can we define culture vulture? Mouse Jones: Somebody who is not of the culture
coming into someone else’s culture, taking, making a profit off of that culture and then
not doing anything to promote said culture. Seren Sensei: And I will also say that in
addition to not being of the culture and profiting off it, being a bigger artist, or being somebody
that is not associated with the negative aspects of the culture as well. Because we all know for example, that knife
crime is like a huge problem in the UK and there’s a lot of issues with the violence
and the knife crime in all that stuff being associated with certain aspects of the music. Drake don’t gotta be associated with that. Drake can just, “Oh I just like the sound,
I’m just using the sound.” That’s like some culture vulture shit. Rob Markman: I mean, but Drake is also not
a street artist. Seren Sensei: But Drake also picks that up
when he feels like it. Rob Markman: Drake is not here … You know,
at … Mouse Jones: Did somebody tell Drake that? Because he sure be rapping like he is. Seren Sensei: Right! He picks that shit up when he feels like it. Mouse Jones: Oh buddy, he sure be rapping
like he is. Meka Udoh: See, this is where I disagree. Because if you really think about it, being
a culture vulture. Thank you it’s my mother’s. If you really think about it, being a culture
vulture is pretty much a version of being a cultural appropriator. Mouse Jones: Yes. Seren Sensei: Yes. Meka Udoh: Cultural appropriation and when
have we ever seen Drake acknowledge a community or a sound and then profit from it without
giving back, or- Mouse Jones: When he first came out? Houston … They had to put the heat on him. Houston had to put the heat on him. And it’s fucked up because Jay Price was cosigning
the nigga and he still wasn’t … They had to put the heat on him, and that’s when he
gets heavy into the strip clubs and all that. That’s when he gets that … And that’s at
the very beginning. Jamaican culture? Fucking Reggae Gold, all 2017. Meka Udoh: However- Seren Sensei: Popcaan, who he put on the song
and then removed off the song mysteriously. Rob Markman: Popcaan announced in December- Meka Udoh: That he signed OVO Seren Sensei: After how long? And after people putting the pressure on. Mouse Jones: That’s the pressure, son Rob Markman: At the same time, Drake- Mouse Jones: Controlla. Rob Markman: Listen, I think artists of that
magnitude, when you’re talking about … First of all, let me go back. To me culture vulture’s the lowest of the
low. A vulture really comes in, in just nature
right, and picks apart at the carcass. And it don’t hunt, it’s not a lion, a lion
might hunt for they dinner. A vulture’s the lowest of the low. And I think we’ve seen Drake adopt sounds
from different areas. When he first came out the Houston sound was
very prevalent and influential to him, Memphis as well. And then years later we hear the Toronto accent,
the Caribbean accent that we didn’t know that was there before. All of this is valid, all of this- Mouse Jones: Mind you, at that point he was
already out for like ten years. Just saying. Rob Markman: He’s been out like ten years
now, this was a five year run. When I first heard … when I seen him on
P Reign. Seren Sensei: It’s like a different version
of Drake on every album. Who is Drake? Rob Markman: But he reinvents himself I think
in a similar way of when you get to that level, of a Kanye West. You know, you got soul sample Kanye West,
and he was influenced by cats that he had around him at the time, Rhymefest or whoever. By the time you get to Yeezus, or let’s go
to 808s and Heartbreaks- Mouse Jones: But he’s of the culture, he’s
of that community. Rob Markman: That’s Cudi, then Yeezus is like
a Travis Scott influence. What’s I’m saying is the biggest artists to
stay on top constantly reinvent their sound. And I think this is what Drake is gunning
for. I think that’s a thing right, and you could
take opposition to that but I don’t think that’s culture vulture. Mouse Jones: I think there’s a difference
between dick riding, clout chasing, wave riding- Seren Sensei: Wave riding. Mouse Jones: There’s a difference between
that and culture vultures. Rob Markman: Right. Meka Udoh: What’s the difference? Mouse Jones: So if you jump on a sound that’s
popular, so sure, later year Kanye when he’s just letting Travis influence everything he’s
doing. That’s wave riding, he wants to remain relevant. That’s one thing. He’s still of the hip-hop culture and community. Drake is going into a culture and a community
he has no connection to. Whether it be Afro-beats, reggae, the … What’s
it called? Chopped and Screwed, there’s so many! The Toronto- Seren Sensei: There’s so many. Mouse Jones: There’s so many things that he’s- Meka Udoh: You can’t necessarily say that. Mouse Jones: He like Mega-man. Y’all remember Mega-man? He like Mega-man, he’s like- Seren Sensei: They be callin’ him Kirby. They be callin him Kirby also. Meka Udoh: You can’t necessarily- Seren Sensei: They be callin’ him Kirby. Rob Markman: But they say a lot of things. Go ahead, make your point. Meka Udoh: You can’t necessarily say that
because if we’ve all been to Toronto, we know Toronto is a melting pot of a variety of different
cultures. African, Caribbean, all of that, and maybe- Seren Sensei: I don’t know where everybody
on this panel is from, but what do we look like being like, “Okay yeah, now I’m going
to claim Toronto. Okay, now I’m going to claim the grime shit,
okay now I’m going to claim this, claim that.” Like, I’m from DC for example and in DC we
have Go-Go, that’s a thing. Mouse Jones: Don’t mute DC. Seren Sensei: Hashtag don’t mute DC, that’s
like a whole thing right now. So let’s say that if somebody shows up and
all of the sudden they like, “Oh yeah, I’m about to be the new head of backyard and this
about to be my new shit.” No! You can’t do that. That’s not cool, that’s not allowed, and it
wouldn’t be allowed. You can obviously like it. We’ve all heard Go-Go influences in other
songs, Amerie “One Thing” comes to mind immediately. Beyonce “Upgrade U,” the producer was
from DC- Rob Markman: Yeah, Rich Harrison is from DC. Seren Sensei: … is from DC. So we can hear the influence, it’s the difference
too between saying, “Oh, I like this, I’m influenced by it, I’m inspired by it.” And him being like, “No, actually I’m going
to go on BBC and be like, I put the grime niggas on.” No you didn’t. What? Meka Udoh: He never said that. Rob Markman: He didn’t say that. Meka Udoh: He definitely never said that. Rob Markman: That wasn’t- Seren Sensei: He went and sat… that’s not
what… Okay, I’m paraphrasing. Mouse Jones: He definitely … When I seen
that shit and the way he said it, it was behind that statement. Seren Sensei: It was implied. Mouse Jones: That’s what he was implying. Seren Sensei: “Oh I don’t understand how I
can show support to the young up and coming artists and people look at it as a bad thing. I’m this huge …” I’m paraphrasing, “I’m
this huge artist and I’m putting people on, and people think that’s a bad thing.” Like, nigga shut up! Rob Markman: That almost the quote, verbatim. Mouse Jones: Look at what you do, right? Look at what you do. You see a young personality like myself or
a young writer. Instead of trying to adopt their style, instead
of trying you jumping on your platform to try to be a Mouse Jones or a Scottie Beam,
you say, “Alright now let me give them a platform. Let me bring them up here and put them in
front of this bigger audience.” Instead of, “Oh I’m a try and piss this nigga
off, like Mouse Jones be talking. Well I’mma try and talk more about ladies
and hip-hop like Scottie Beam be doing. I be trying to do this like Jameer.” You see what I’m saying? Mouse Jones: So imagine an artist like Drake
saying, “Oh man, these young niggas out here getting it up filthy. I like what they doing. Here, y’all put your own record out. I’ll fund it, I’ll put y’all on.” Instead of saying, “Wait how you did? (singing).” Seren Sensei: I’m going to use that exact- Mouse Jones: I’m a do (singing). Rob Markman: Okay, so let me ask you a question. At what point is music just music and… Mouse Jones: I’m going go record it. Rob Markman: It was great. First of all, I appreciate your vote of confidence,
you just don’t know what my 2020 plan is. Mouse Jones: Oh, fair enough. Rob Markman: I’m full Mouse Jones next year. Mouse Jones: Fair enough. Rob Markman: I’m just inviting you here enough
times so I can figure it out. You see what I’m saying. Mouse Jones: Watching the tape. Seren Sensei: Right, watching it back. Like basketball games, his moves- Rob Markman: At what point is music allowed,
you put music out, and you’re allowed to take that influence? Right? Let’s use the example of Jay Z, is Jay Z a
culture vulture when he hops on Juvenile’s “Ha”? Mouse Jones: No. Seren Sensei: But I don’t even need to hear
the answer. Rob Markman: Listen, or when he was going
to the UK, because- Meka Udoh: Or when he was constantly using
Biggie’s own lines in his songs? Mouse Jones: I’m not a writer, I’m a biter
for myself, I say a B.I.G verse, I’m only bigging up my brother. Rob Markman: Listen, Pimp C also had … We
all know, at this point, originally didn’t want to do Big Pimpin’ and had some hesitation
with that. Is Jay-Z calling UGK to be on… is that culture
vulture behavior? Seren Sensei: I don’t think that’s culture
vulture behavior. Mouse Jones: And I think that was super new. Seren Sensei: I also feel like people knew
— Rob Markman: UGK wasn’t new. UGK was out — Seren Sensei: I was just about to say — Mouse Jones: I’m saying that New York southern,
that thing was still new. Those collaborations still new. Seren Sensei: People know who UGK was. People knew who Bun B was. People knew who Pimp C was. That’s not the same as Drake using artists
that people don’t know. When Drake is remaking a D.R.A.M. song, people
don’t know who that is. Mouse Jones: He took the nigga whole record. Seren Sensei: People don’t know who that is. You would just say people know who UGK are. It’s not the same thing. Mouse Jones: He wasn’t saying BIG’s verse,
people were like, yo this nigga can… Rob Markman: Cam was? Listen, my whole thing is I don’t think Jay-Z
is a culture vulture. Mouse Jones: He’s not! Rob Markman: Y’all not gonna mess up me trying
to go to the B side show, alright. Seren Sensei: It’s not gonna be no more “For
The Record” Mouse Jones: Rob, For the record! Mouse Jones didn’t say that. Rob Markman: Let’s take it back. Again, to me, culture vulture to me is the
lowest of the low. Mouse Jones: And to piggie back off that Jay-Z,
every mark that somebody tried to use against Jay-Z and that term, he’s also worked directly
with those people. He has records with Biggie. People was sayin’ he used people’s flows,
borrowed people’s flows. He’s still on a record with all those people. People were like, oh the Young Chris flow,
we didn’t know who Young Chris was. Rob Markman: That’s another thing that Jay
was being accused of was, what critics said, was that when he got with Philly, with State
Prop, his style became a little more Philly. Young Chris, had a lot of influence on that. Mouse Jones: Seven albums in, go figure. Rob Markman: Listen, I’m just playing devil’s
advocate. I don’t think that’s culture vulture neither
but I think this is akin to what Drake is doing. As a musician, you’re influenced by what’s
around you, the sound, you’re constantly looking for new sound and new inspiration. Because I don’t want to be like I was last
year. That’s what level he’s at. Meka Udoh: Because think about it, nobody
was really paying attention to Drake like that when he first came out, back when he
was working with — Mouse Jones: When do we consider first came
out… Meka Udoh: I’m talking about, we might have
been paying attention to him. When we was working with the likes of 9th
Wonder and Tanya Worthen and things of that nature. Mouse Jones Room For Improvement, Comeback
season, yeah okay. Seren Sensei: My favorite Drake, personally. Meka Udoh: When he took off, did you really
think that in 2019, he would still be doing songs with 9th Wonder? I would love to see him do songs with 9th
Wonder. I was happy as hell when he did a song with
DJ Premier. Mouse Jones: That’s when you start seeing
the culture vulture. Meka Udoh: How is that culture vulture though? Seren Sensei: He’s just talking about the
evolution of an artist. Rob Markman Jay’s still not doing songs with
— Meka Udoh: Good example is Phonte, from Little
Brother. Phonte from Little Brother, critically acclaimed
rap group. Mouse Jones: Amazing rap group. Meka Udoh: Grammy nominated singer. Is he a culture vulture for singing? Seren Sensei: No. Mouse Jones: How do you culture vulture singing? He’s from that community. He’s singing R&B music. He’s from that community. That is a very black thing. Seren Sensei: In terms of being from the community,
I think we also have to take into consideration. This is what Mouse was saying too, Jay-Z was
working with artists from Philly and they were cooperating with it. We have people that are from these communities
that Drake is biting off of that are coming out themselves, certain people, and being
like, no this is culture vulture, I don’t like this. How do we decide who’s voice is bigger? Rob Markman My thing is, and when I think
again, to me, culture vulture is a strong. Once you put that stink on somebody, it’s
hard to get off. Mouse Jones: As it should be. Rob Markman: I’ve been very critical about
Post Malone. Clearly influenced by hip hop, clearly uses
hip hop. The song was called White Iverson, it wasn’t
called John Stockton, who was also an amazing point guard. Iverson represents what hip hop is, you came
into the game off of that. Post has made some very striking and damning
comments about hip hop and trying to separate himself. Mouse Jones: I blame hip hop for that. Rob Markman: As a man and artist he has to
be acceptable. Seren Sensei: I blame Post Malone. Rob Markman: The other thing is, I was trying
to find an example of when black artists do this too. Miley Cyrus is another one, right? Seren Sensei: She’s a hardcore culture vulture. Rob Markman: I think this is culture vulture,
right? Bangerz, when it was the thing to do hip hop,
you was twerking, you was doing all of that and then made the comment about hip hop, oh
it’s too much grinding, too much this too much that. Seren Sensei: It’s misogynist. Rob Markman: You moved on and you did another
album that flopped. Now she back trying to get on hip hop. That’s a culture vulture. I cannot put Drake in that category. Mouse Jones: I’m not a Post Malone fan, I
don’t see it for Post Malone. Rob Markman: Talk about it. Mouse Jones: He’s not to blame. Hip hop is to blame. Hip hop is to blame, not even hip hop, these
publications are to blame. He did the White Iverson song, you call it
whatever you want, after that everything he put out was deemed hip hop. He said from the get go, I’m not hip hop. Why do we keep trying to push hip hop on him? Seren Sensei: I blame Post Malone as well. I think he knows what he’s doing. I don’t think he’s naïve. Meka Udoh: At the same time, when his album’s
are classified as hip hop/rap on the DSPs, on the radio stations, on everything else. You don’t see him saying, nah I’m not hip
hop. Rob Markman: He’s not saying Hot97 don’t play
my record. Mouse Jones: He’s definitely saying, I’m not
hip hop. Meka Udoh: He benefits from it. Rob Markman: He doesn’t push back the benefits. He might push back the tag. He don’t send back the benefits. Seren Sensei: Exactly. Meka Udoh: That’s what we said earlier. Seren Sensei: He’s not a babe in the woods. He also knows that him being white and sort
of dabbling, doing a little of this and a little of that. Because he’s white, and because he’s able
to — he can say all day, I’m not hip hop, I don’t want to be hip hop. At the end of the day, he knows the way that
he’s perceived and he’s benefiting off of that as well. I feel similar to Drake. You said that once you put the culture vulture
stink on someone it follows them. People have been calling Drake a culture vulture
for years, this is just the first time that he, himself, has addressed it. People have been saying that forever. When he fucking first started messing with
Migos, there was some stuff then of, why is Drake getting on this Versace song? This song was already big, he didn’t necessarily
make Migos big. Mouse Jones: Well I wouldn’t consider that
culture vulture either. Seren Sensei: I’m just saying that even back
then, up until now, this is not the first time that somebody has ever accused Drake
of being a culture vulture. People have been saying it, really, for his
whole entire career. Rob Markman: People say things, right? Doesn’t make it right. At the same time, you talk about Migos, Versace,
and that song. Mouse Jones: That Drake verse is on its way. That Drake write to dream verse is on its
way. Oh my god. Rob Markman: Never. It’s not happening, just telling you right
now. What I’m talking about though, let’s talk
about this. Mouse you a damn fool. Seren Sensei He’s too much. Rob Markman: Let’s talk about this. Seren Sensei: I’m ignoring him. Mouse Jones: Drake must have a write to dream
hat he ‘bout to post Rob Markman: At all, but let’s talk about
Versace. Let’s bring it back, Mouse. Let’s stay focused. The Versace record, right, does the Drake
verse not take it to another level? Mouse Jones: That’s what I say. Rob Markman: Does it not take it to another
level? Is there not a benefit for the Migos to have
that verse? Seren Sensei: I have a question. We’re saying because he’s a big artist or,
quote unquote, took it to another level, does that make it okay or appropriate or not culture
vulture. Can’t you say that same thing, let’s say Kim
Kardashian. Kim Kardashian wore, quote unquote boxer braids,
which are cornrows, and they ended up on the cover of Vogue. People love to say that exact same argument. Well, she made them mainstream, she put it
on Vogue. Y’all should just be happy. What’s the difference? Meka Udoh: Therein lies the difference. Kim Kardashian’s actions were reflective of
a white community that has basically taken from a predominantly black culture and not
given credit back to the black culture. Drake is still working within the black culture. Rob Markman: Drake is black! Meka Udoh: Drake is black. Kim Kardashian… Seren Sensei: Maybe when Drake culture vultures,
that’s his Caucasian half jumpin out. Mouse Jones: Definitely a different side. Rob Markman: You can’t pick and choose. You can’t do that, man. You talking to a bi-racial brother right here
yourself. I’m offended. Go ahead, finish your point Mouse. Meka Udoh: I’m just saying you can’t compare
Drake doing music from another country to Kim Kardashian co opting a hairstyle that’s
been around since, I don’t know, forever. Seren Sensei: I see this argument a lot, in
general, with cultural appropriation. You should just be happy that the bigger artist
is putting your shit on. People say that for music, they say it for
clothes, hairstyles, movies, all the time. Meka Udoh: Again, I would totally agree with
you, had Drake not even worked with any of these artists to begin with. He’s still working with these artists in some
capacity whether you guys like it or not. Rob Markman: He just went on tour with Migos. Meka Udoh: Not even….beyond that. Mouse Jones: I’m talking about the music. Meka Udoh: He’s worked with these artists,
these artists have appeared on his albums. It’s not like he’s just taken a style and
totally not rocking with them as a whole. Rob Markman: I just don’t think it’s so separate. I think grime is derivative from American
hip hop and reggae as well. Seren Sensei: Which it is. Rob Markman: When we look at hip hop, hip
hop is derivative from reggae and Jamaican culture, you know what I’m saying? Mouse Jones: Definitely is. Rob Markman: Reggae is a seed in all of this. It’s all from the same tree. I don’t see grime as that much different of
a musical genre that he can’t play in that arena or that he shouldn’t play in that arena. Mouse Jones: Even if you say that, like I
said earlier, this reminds me very much of gentrification. It reminds me very much of the white women
trying to do yoga in Bed-Stuy Brooklyn and getting upset when somebody calls them on
it. You have to understand that when you are not
of the culture, when you are not of the community, your job when walking in these spaces is to
be silent and always listen. Not react. When somebody says to that white woman, yo
you know this used to be a space where the old hats would get together to play chess,
now they ain’t here. Well you should – no, no, no. Don’t react, just listen. When somebody’s saying to Drake, hey, you
are co opting our spaces. You don’t even go here. Instead of getting on BBC and saying, oh oh. Seren Sensei: I’m the bigger artist so you
should just be happy. Mouse Jones: Instead of reacting, open up
those spaces. Listen. Rob Markman: He’s heard em. He’s heard it. Mouse Jones: No, no, no. You’ve heard them. Listening is a verb, it’s something you actively
do. Rob Markman: I can’t speak because I’m not
from the UK, that goes back to the listening part that you’re talking about. It’s all derivative from black music, from
hip hop music, of this generation, from reggae. Mouse Jones: So now you’re sonnin’ them. I’m just saying that’s what it sounds like. Now you’re telling them. Grime is very specific to them. Now to say what you just said to them is like,
well you know everything derives somewhere. Now you’re stunning their shit. Seren Sensei: He’s talking about in the roots
of hip hop or whatever you want to call it. I do think you start getting into a bit of
a slippery slope. The roots of hip hop is basically you have
the American rapping mixed with the Jamaican mixing of records, then you have the British
toasting. You do have a Caribbean influence, a British
influence, and then the American rapping from jump. It is a little pushing it to be like, it’s
all from the same tree, we can all partake. All life came from Africa so we can just all,
we’re all African. It’s a lot. Where’s the line? Rob Markman: I think when it comes to music
and art, the line is blurred. Mouse Jones: We add a lot of that blur. Rob Markman: Music is art. You can’t help who it influences. Listen, Drake also benefits. This isn’t a truly altruistic thing. Seren Sensei: It helps him remain relevant. Rob Markman: It helps with a new sound, it
helps him put in different spaces. It helps him set up the tour in UK so I can
be a worldwide artist and not just a Canadian artist or an artist that’s big in America. There’s definitely benefits from it. Again, what I can’t wrap my head around is
the culture vulture is the worst of the worst. Seren Sensei: I think it’s a culture vulture
because he does everything. When he’s trying to appeal to a southern audience
he hops on the, quote unquote, southern wave. When he’s trying to appeal to a Caribbean
audience, he hops on the Caribbean wave. When he’s trying to appeal to a UK audience
and do a world tour, he hops on the UK wave. He’s taking pictures with MacGregor. Drake is an Animorph. He changes every time. Mouse Jones You gotta respect that! He’s not just doing it on records. Son is literally going in and changes the
way he dresses and acts for this time period. He’s co opting accents? Seren Sensei That’s what makes people uncomfortable. Meka Udoh: We should start calling out everybody
who may have an inkling of wanting to explore different sounds, do new territories. Snoop Dogg, Long Beach born, bred, and raised. Rob Markman: Snoop Lion, talk about it. Meka Udoh: Not done. Seren Sensei: I thought it was weird, personally. Meka Udoh: Snoop Lion, reggae. Signed with No Limit, southern label. Rob Markman: He did the gospel album. Meka Udoh: He’s an ambassador for Brazilian
rum. Are we gonna call him a cultural appropriator
for branching off into other territories? Seren Sensei: I thought the Snoop Lion thing
was weird, personally. I really did. Gospel comes from black Americans. Snoop Lion was weird. Rob Markman: I still love Murder was a Case. Mouse Jones: Wasn’t he practicing Rasta? Seren Sensei: He was practicing Rastafarianism,
which is a religion. Mouse Jones: I highly doubt Snoop being who
Snoop is, is going to do any of that without getting the blessing from those proper people. Drake’s not doing that. He’s saying, oh that’s what they’re doing
over there, I’mma do this. Meka Udoh: Who are the proper people then? Seren Sensei: That’s what I mean when I say
that we have people that are speaking out against it … Rob Markman: Has Giggs said anything? He’s worked with Gigs. He brought out J Hus on stage. Meka Udoh: Again, he’s worked with these UK
artists, several of them are from that Boy Better Know collective- Mouse Jones: To me, you gotta hear the voices
of the people who don’t directly benefit from you doing it. So Giggs and J Hus… they’re benefiting directly
from it. I wanna hear what the guy who doesn’t have
anything to lose in this is saying. Rob Markman: That could be skewed, too, the
same way somebody who’s directly benefiting, they have a bias. “Oh, nah Drake’s my guy, you crazy?” The same way as the person who’s not benefiting
could have a bias as well. Mouse Jones: I think the person who’s not
benefiting is more honest. Sure, sure, I’ll get on that, sure. Seren Sensei: I just think at this moment
in time over the course of Drake’s career, this isn’t the first time. It’s happened repeatedly and repeatedly, so- Mouse Jones: And it won’t be the last. Seren Sensei: So at what point do we say,
“Well, this is a pattern it’s an issue,” rather than continue to give Drake passes,
because he’s this big artist or we like him, or we like the music, or what have you? It’s not like it’s the first time, it’s not. Mouse Jones: He does have the uncanny ability,
I will say- Rob Markman: Listen man, we he bust out with
Romeo Santos, and he was doing the bachata joint on Mia with Bad Bunny Meka Udoh: You see how long that lasted, though Rob Markman: But listen- Seren Sensei: It’s a joke at this point Mouse Jones: The latin community don’t play
about this. That was a very quick sum up Rob Markman: Even that is different from … because
I listened, I’m like, “Oh shit, his Spanish is alright,” is Drake Latin? Nah! But he took the time to learn, is different
from maybe Justin Bieber doing the Despacito remix, and then- Meka Udoh: Not even remember the lyrics live,
yeah. Rob Markman: Going, “Burrito and Dorito.” That’s culture vulture. You see what I’m saying? Mouse Jones: It’s the same thing Seren Sensei: I think it’s the same thing,
also. Meka Udoh: Being a cultural appropriator also
means that you tend to make a mockery of the culture that you’re co-oping from. Being a cultural appropriator is, say, I don’t
know, going to Ghana and calling it a “vibe.” That’s being a cultural appropriator. Being a cultural appropriator is, I don’t
know, going on a podcast and insulting black women while trying to occupy the same space
they’re in. That’s cultural- Seren Sensei: I think that Drake somewhat
does that. If every other month, you’re a different ethnicity,
you have a different accent, you’re dressing up a different way, are you not somewhat making
a mockery of the culture? Seren Sensei: Is that not a mockery? Like what the fuck, every time?- Meka Udoh: You know what, I’ll use me as an
example. I’m from Long Beach, born and raised in California. I’ve been in New York for ten years. I tend to say a lot of New York dialect more
than I intend to, I tend to say “dead ass” and “facts” all the time. Does that me a cultural appropriator? Rob Markman: Nah B, you good bro. Seren Sensei: No. So you’ve lived in New York for ten years
and that’s why you use it. Now if you said “dead ass” while you here
in New York and then you go to Miami, and you like, “yeah, jit da da da da da,” and
then you go out to somewhere else and you saying something else, and something else,
and something else, and every other week something else Mouse Jones: You live here, you’ve been living
here for ten years. Drake not living in mother fucking London,
he’s never been in the Low End, whatever it’s called. Seren Sensei: And then when it’s convenient
at the end of the day, Drake is like, “Yeah, Toronto, Toronto, Toronto, Six god this, Six
god that,” so obviously- Mouse Jones: He ain’t even start that shit
until he was like five years in. Seren Sensei: Where are your allegiances as
an artist- Mouse Jones: He wasn’t even Six God when he
first came out. Seren Sensei: Nobody knows. Rob Markman: Well he says he used to be ashamed,
or that it wasn’t cool to be from Toronto. He thought- Mouse Jones: Nigga you are the biggest artist
in the world. Rob Markman: Which listen, listen. There’s things that you could take issue with,
because there were plenty of artists before Drake that repped Toronto Mouse Jones: Shout out to Avril Lavigne. Rob Markman: -didn’t reach the heights, I’m
talking about Kardinal Offishal, Socrates, Choclair- Meka Udoh: Northern Touch. Mouse Jones: Matter of fact, son had Kardinal
Offishal on … is that Comeback Season, or Room For…it was Comeback Season, he had
Offishal on comeback Season. Rob Markman: But to get to a height, he says
that he felt like, “Yo, I had to be more southern,” get what I’m saying? Seren Sensei: So you have to use other people’s
cultures to get to a certain height, right? Is that not cultural appropriation? Meka Udoh You know what’s funny that you mentioned
that…Because he said that in order to expand to a wider audience, had to be southern. Isn’t that technically what New York Hip-Hop’s
been doing over the past couple years? Rob Markman: Absolutely. Seren Sensei: And that’s whack. And when people found out that Desiigner was
not from Atlanta, they fucking laughed that nigga out of his career. Meka Udoh: But he still got a platinum single
out of it. Rob Markman: Because I’m a New York guy my
whole life, right? And it’s a little confusing what the broader
Hip Hop tells New York artists, because when we’re anywhere outside of New York, turn that
shit off, we don’t wanna hear that. Mouse Jones: They don’t wanna hear jack. Rob Markman: We don’t wanna hear that anywhere
outside of New York, we don’t wanna hear that shit, turn that shit off. Right? And then, Desiigner’s eighteen, so it’s even
to point where New York’s not playing New York records. All he knows is Future, so if he sounds like
Future- and then when you kind of adapt- right now Atlanta is running shit, and Atlanta is
the sound of Hip-Hop in the hub, so when a young guy like Desiigner or any of these New
York artists adopt sounds from Chicago or Atlanta- Meka Udoh: Or anywhere that’s not New York. Rob Markman: Or anywhere else that’s not New
York, now you’re biting, but then what do you do? tThen what do you do? Seren Sensei: No, I think artists could be
themselves. In Chicago, they was doing the Chicago drill
shit, that was their shit, they felt like doing it. They wasn’t like, “Well that Atlanta shit
is hot so we gotta do it.” I do think that people- Hip-Hop is also very
regional, and people can focus on they own region, and do their own regional thing. I don’t think that you are required to go
along with what’s hot, that’s our culture right now- Rob Markman: There was a time when New York,
had it. Meka Udoh: Had the pulse on Hip-Hop. Rob Markman: And everybody was kind of copying- Meka Udoh: Everybody was inspired by it, yeah. Rob Markman: New York was the blueprint for
what you did and how you rapped. Seren Sensei: And times changed. Rob Markman: Then time changed. Now Atlanta is the blueprint- Mouse Jones: But everybody can’t do what New
York was doing. There was an easier method. The southern method is a way easier method
than what people grew up on. Hip-Hop- Rob Markman: But it’s just a sound, it’s the
sound now, it’s the sound of Hip-Hip. Seren Sensei: But if we also wanna talk about
publications and the culture, for example, I remember Joey Badass’ last album, Rolling
Stone said, “oh, it’s too boom-bap, it’s not-” Meka Udoh: It’s Rolling Stone. Seren Sensei: Exactly, but people will say,
“Oh, Rolling Stone said it’s too boom-bap,” but then they’ll give whatever … pick somebody,
out of Atlanta, a fucking perfect five star, and then they get on Billboard, and then they
get on the radio, and then they do this and they do that. And then you have people, fans of Hip-Hop,
that’ll be like, “Well your shit didn’t chart, so I’m not gonna listen to it,” that’s a real
thing, we can pretend that it’s not, but it is. Meka Udoh: No disrespect to Rolling Stone
and other music publications- Seren Sensei: I mean, fuck Rolling Stone,
I’ll say it. Meka Udoh: You can’t use Rolling Stone as
a barometer for all thing Hip-Hop. That’s like me going to Pitchfork and getting
pissed that they gave Illmatic a two out of five. Mouse Jones: We was praised in Billboard,
but we were young. Now I look at Billboard like, “Is you dumb?”. Seren Sensei: But we’re talking about the
current fans and the current state of Hip-Hop. And the current fans, these kids that listen
to all this Atlanta shit, they will be like, “Oh, that shit didn’t chart, so I don’t fucking
care.” They’ll be like, “Oh, I don’t fucking hear
it on…” People do that, and that is why people feel
like they have to constantly make the same type of shit, hop on what is the hot wave,
the homogenizing of Hip-Hop, isn’t that what we’re talking about? Mouse Jones: And it is a little irresponsible
of us to paint a narrative that New York doesn’t have a sound. Rob Markman: Absolutely. Mouse Jones: As of right now, 2019, New York
Definitely has a sound. Rob Markman: I didn’t say that, I hope I didn’t
say that. Mouse Jones: No I’m just saying in general,
because that’ll be the narrative. New York definitely has a sound- Seren Sensei: It does. Mouse Jones: Completely separate of the artists
who are influenced by the drill, it’s a very gritty “back down to the concrete sound” or
coming out of Brooklyn, Queens. And then there’s definitely that Nelly-inspired
harmonization coming out of Uptown, with the Lil TJays , with the T.J. Porter, and things that … so there is a
sound, and people will begin … the minute Drake hears it, he’ll do it. Seren Sensei: We’re talking about Drake, so- Rob Markman: Yeah, let’s bring it back to
Drake. Seren Sensei: We can’t pretend that the publications
and the this and the that doesn’t matter. We’re talking about a interview Drake gave
on BBC, so obviously- Rob Markman: Nah, it matters, man. I just wanna take- because we gotta wrap now. I know where me and Meka stand, is Drake a
culture vulture Meka? No. Meka Udoh: Appropriation adjacent, at the
very least. Seren Sensei: I’ll give you “appropriation,”
I will say yes, but- Meka Udoh: At the very least. Rob Markman: Culture chameleon. Seren Sensei: Culture chameleon! Mouse Jones: That’s their natural state. They adapt naturally. Seren Sensei: Culture vulture. Culture vulture. Rob Markman: We haven’t changed your mind,
you coming in with it. It’s cool that we haven’t changed your mind,
for the record. Seren Sensei: Culture vulture that uses other
people’s cultures to his advantage. And I also think that’s been a huge way that
he’s been able to stay on top for so long, is because he fucking very deliberately hops
on other cultures, hops on other sounds, absorbs them, uses them to keep himself up at the
top, and then discards the smaller artists at the bottom. Meka Udoh: I will say- Seren Sensei: Where is iLoveMakonnen? Rob Markman: He need a record! I never thought Makonnen was that good to
begin with. Seren Sensei: I didn’t either, but I’m just
saying.. I don’t give a fuck about any of these publications- Mouse Jones: Where’s Party? Where is Party? Meka Udoh: Party writing for other people. Mouse Jones: We need Party. Meka Udoh: Party’s winning Grammy’s and going
platinum writing for other people. Mouse Jones: But Party wants to drop his album. That’s cool if … Party wants to drop his
records and Hip-Hop’s Dracula is stopping him. Free Party! Rob Markman: Do we know this for a fact? Seren Sensei: Hip-Hop’s Dracula. Mouse Jones: Yes! Meka Udoh: Is this like D.J. Khaled logic the streets? Seren Sensei: Drake locks people up in the
tents and makes them write hits for him. Meka Udoh: The streets verified this? Mouse Jones: The OVO sweat shop, I’m sick
of it. Seren Sensei: The OVO sweat shop. Views from the tents. Meka Udoh: I’ll say this one thing. Rob Markman: Take us out- Meka Udoh: From a musical perspective, I don’t
think he is being a culture vulture. He may be co-opting for his benefit, and yes
and maybe to the detriment of other artists, but as a culture vulture, no. When he speaks, and he speaks in them weird- Seren Sensei: Accents. Meka Udoh: Faux-maican accents, that’s being
a cultural appropriator, because that’s not even remotely … like what? Mouse Jones: I only do that at the Jamaican
restaurant. Rob Markman: That’s why they only put a little
gravy on your oxtail. Seren Sensei: Remind me to never go eat with
you anywhere. Mouse Jones: But he is a culture vulture,
but his shit be slapping, so I can’t even- Rob Markman: Get out of here, man. Look at him try to get to the next OVO fest. I see you Mouse Jones. Listen, we want to definitely know what you
think, man. I had a great time debating with you guys,
and sometimes we all agree and the shows are kind of boring. I like when we don’t agree on things, and
I appreciate y’all, so thank y’all for coming, and thank y’all for watching, this has been
For The Record. See you next week, peace.

100 Comments

  1. Garland Jackson said:

    How is he doing any of that haters man dame let the boy live

    April 27, 2019
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  2. Garland Jackson said:

    And he can't just get on nobody song they wanted him on the songs stupid

    April 27, 2019
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  3. Eli Nascimento said:

    Mouse and that woman are ignorant

    April 27, 2019
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  4. Eli Nascimento said:

    MIA is 🔥

    April 27, 2019
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  5. Eucleia Ferreira said:

    Next thing you know Drake is out here singing flamenco and shit

    April 27, 2019
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  6. Luis Martinez said:

    How about… he isn’t appealing to certain markets but rather inspired and motivated by them? Just cause he makes music with a certain sound or vibe, doesn’t mean he’s a culture vulture. He’s just inspired by those sounds

    April 27, 2019
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  7. Elijah Sharrieff said:

    It’s called adapting it’s how you stay relevant like he has for 10 consecutive years I don’t see the issue

    April 27, 2019
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  8. O JL said:

    stop hating

    April 28, 2019
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  9. Alimah B said:

    Didn’t watch and I fucks with Drake but the answer is duh!🗣

    April 28, 2019
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  10. Mr B said:

    UK rappers are the biggest fucking culture vultures on the planet.

    April 28, 2019
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  11. B. Wisdom said:

    Am I hearing things or did Mouse say "Dreggae Gold"?? LMAO

    April 28, 2019
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  12. Drew Mula said:

    The guy on the far right spoke the most sense out of this pointless conversation. I am from London and drake has completely boosted the UK music scene. On top of that, we all love him very much over here. People need to remember Drizzy doesn’t have to do all of this. He has changed a lot of other musicians careers for the better more than any rapper that’s currently out rn.
    It’s so sad that Drake May not be full appreciated until he either hangs it up or is gone. The guy is from Canada and I have realised that some American musicians and the public are so up themselves that they cannot believe that a rapper from a country like Canada has managed to change the rap game the way he has. Kendrick & Cole are amazing and deffo top 3 but these dudes go missing for years and only come back when they have albums to drop. Drake is consistently actively and publicly changing lives for the better.

    April 28, 2019
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  13. Pierceson Holmes said:

    bruhhh this shit…..corny…..fake ass woke ppl who do nothing and have done nothing to move the pendulum for music forward individually…this man got as many billboards as micheal jackson stop playin with this man

    April 28, 2019
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  14. Raychulle Wade said:

    Just say you don’t like Drake

    April 28, 2019
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  15. Erik Lewis said:

    Let go of your drake hate it’s actually super corny

    April 29, 2019
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  16. LadyIsTheChamp said:

    of course

    April 29, 2019
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  17. Victor Dan said:

    Worst video posted on this page by them 🤦🏾‍♂️ 🤦🏾‍♂️ 🤦🏾‍♂️… no facts just trash talk

    April 29, 2019
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  18. prodby404 said:

    Drake don't jump on waves, he creates them

    April 29, 2019
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  19. Katrisha Gibbs said:

    Did ya'll have this same dialogue over Nicki Minaj?

    April 29, 2019
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  20. Antonio Gayton said:

    She's such a damn hater. He's a global icon, of course he is going to sound appealing to many different audiences!

    April 30, 2019
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  21. Edge King said:

    Now that the Internet is here you gotta be fluid to keep up with the trends.. jealousy not gonna save you out here

    April 30, 2019
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  22. sc gem said:

    Huge fan of Genius & Rob.. but this was the most silliest conversation y’all had.. Shout to MekDot for having some sense.. Everyone else was 👎🏾.

    April 30, 2019
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  23. Kobby Ampofo said:

    But that being said how many people in the west were listening to Dave? Not to say that they didn't already have Western fans but when Drake does something with anyone people listen. Look at bloc boy he was blowing up sure but look alive really elevated shit.

    May 1, 2019
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  24. jayforevaaa said:

    since when is it considered being a culture vulture for changing up ur sound every project. who is drake? drake is versatile my g.

    May 1, 2019
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  25. jayforevaaa said:

    BIRACIAL(BLACK +WHITE PARENTS) PEOPLE ARE BLACK! OTHER BLACK PPL NEED TO STOP PUTTING DOWN OTHER BLACK PPL.

    May 1, 2019
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  26. charles fayenuwo said:

    Genius this is trash!!!!

    May 1, 2019
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  27. Space Man E said:

    Notice how it’s always full black people bashing Drake and half breeds or other races there to defend him, 🤔

    May 1, 2019
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  28. THE STUNTMEN said:

    not many people knew who giggs was before more life

    May 2, 2019
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  29. Guyforkz said:

    The UK have spoken https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpmaeHqx0wU

    May 2, 2019
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  30. Roni said:

    People who complain about others being culture vultures or culture appropriators tend to be the most uncultured people. When they speak it's clear they have no exposure to other cultures and probably have never traveled outside their immediate surroundings. Most well traveled and exposed people don't think like this they understand other cultures and what it means to be influenced by others

    May 2, 2019
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  31. Luke Chiswell said:

    Clearly didnt see how many London artists Drake brought out at the O2 then…

    May 2, 2019
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  32. Catrina Folan said:

    "He hops on a U.K wave… he's taking pictures with McGregor" 👀 Does this girl not realise that Ireland is not in the U.K…. 😂😅😏

    May 2, 2019
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  33. Dex Wood said:

    This entire this seems and feel like an attempt to takedown #Drake. I say this because if they were to observe where the guy grew up, the question would be mute. Toronto is a cultural melting pot

    May 2, 2019
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  34. j l said:

    Seren and Mouse get an automatic like from me! Drake is a culture vulture. He preys on American Black culture, Jamaican culture, and whatever helps sell records. People can write them off as “hating”, but it seems that the Majority of the viewers see the scheme.

    May 2, 2019
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  35. Mykeal Jackson said:

    Every artist drake has done a feature for has made the choice to allow him to be on their track .. If they really felt he was in the wrong and they wouldnt benefit at all then I'm sure they'd ignore the nigga 😂

    May 3, 2019
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  36. Mykeal Jackson said:

    Why they dont have this convo about Tory ?? 🤔🤣

    May 3, 2019
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  37. self made man G said:

    I can't say he a culture vulture.

    May 3, 2019
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  38. black market magazine said:

    that girl is annoying

    May 3, 2019
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  39. Big Dog said:

    I really can't believe y'all is just ignoring the fact that drake stole new orleans bounce music, smh

    May 3, 2019
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  40. Big Dog said:

    THIS show was TRASH y'all done poor homework, y'all could have done a better job

    May 3, 2019
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  41. Blazer Da producer said:

    Don't know why people acting like drake can't do no wrong call it like it is he's a culture vulture

    May 3, 2019
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  42. Kay Millz said:

    Y’all don’t know Toronto this is all dumb hate.

    May 3, 2019
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  43. jeremy lowe said:

    Just like I said he was at the American Music Awards let's see if he's at the BET Awards in June

    May 3, 2019
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  44. Raj Singh said:

    Drake has been into UK Hip Hop before 2015. In 2011, the song Cameras on Take Care had some inspiration from Sneakbo's (who is from the UK) How You Mean.

    May 4, 2019
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  45. Justin Smith said:

    Introduce your friend to a girl… Can’t take the panties off.

    May 5, 2019
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  46. zephh_ said:

    40 seconds in & already questioning why did i click on this video

    May 6, 2019
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  47. Bryan said:

    lol these people have never been to Toronto and are uninformed

    May 6, 2019
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  48. MrDJCue said:

    This convo was dead. Ole boy on right was the only reasonable one to me.

    May 6, 2019
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  49. Routeway One said:

    Something is starting to rub me the wrong way about Drake.

    May 7, 2019
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  50. Conrad Murray said:

    This girl is feisty

    May 8, 2019
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  51. amauris17 said:

    the irony of the topic of culture vultures coming up on genius' channel

    May 9, 2019
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  52. cj wins said:

    Drake is doing what you’re supposed to do to be a successful rapper and entertainer. Don’t bash him for being great!!

    May 9, 2019
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  53. E L said:

    Yes hes a culture vulture and yes he makes good music

    May 9, 2019
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  54. RamboMerksYT said:

    Drake trash

    May 10, 2019
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  55. Nasir Thompson said:

    They forgot to mention Drake is also a grime fan

    May 10, 2019
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  56. DatGreatness said:

    Idk if drake fits in the realm of culture vulture; he’s grown up in the culture and I don’t see anything wrong with going to other cultures and blending. I will say, however that he does often find something that looks like it’s new and fresh and jump in, use it and then move on to the next thing. In other words, to many, it looks like he made something hot that he put no work in to make.

    May 10, 2019
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  57. Buckeye Dub said:

    Alot of Drake fans butt hurt over this video. Lol

    May 10, 2019
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  58. Geron Fletcher said:

    Drake takes sounds and just moves on to the next like Kirby lol. The difference is, when Kanye worked with Kid Cudi and Travis for sounds, he didn’t just leave, he made them huge superstars

    May 11, 2019
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  59. END TIMES said:

    these people need help.

    May 11, 2019
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  60. ParaYT said:

    cant believe I watched this trash and I dont like drake music tbh

    May 11, 2019
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  61. dear black girl said:

    Black men are pathetic they love to excluded biracial men, but quick to call black women bitter and jealous when we exclude biracial women

    May 11, 2019
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  62. Peaches Kong said:

    Only logged in to DISLIKE the video.
    I literally don't listen to Drake's music since I found out he faked being wheelchair bound and fooling around with aunty Serena Williams BUT even I find Seren and dude doing the most hating on here

    May 11, 2019
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  63. Stephon said:

    This show is called "Genius" but the hosts are a pack of idiots.

    May 11, 2019
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  64. jaislay said:

    okay Seren & Mouse 👏🏾

    May 12, 2019
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  65. chanchos sweats said:

    Lol uk calling him culture vulture…fools cant even see the opportunity to come up lol drakes puttimg them on and they acting like lil uk bitches lol their style sucks dick anyways lol

    May 12, 2019
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  66. HeyTashaTV said:

    A hater is a hater is a hater

    May 13, 2019
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  67. Doesnt Matter said:

    I have a theory that when people constantly interrupt each other, they just want their point heard, and aren't actually listening to understand, they're just listening to respond. They're not listening to understand.

    May 14, 2019
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  68. Doesnt Matter said:

    I love when Americans say "raygay"

    May 14, 2019
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  69. Boogie Man said:

    By just looking at all these comments I could tell drake got hella groupie male and females 🤦🏽‍♂️ #FuckDrake

    May 17, 2019
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  70. Aamra Kamran said:

    Drake is a culture vulture bitch. Who is Drake?

    May 17, 2019
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  71. Gameboy 80 said:

    Dj Khalid is a fucking culture vulture… FACTS!!!!!!!!

    May 21, 2019
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  72. Norman C said:

    Why did he go on fortnite?

    May 23, 2019
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  73. Tom Christie said:

    Everyone hear needs to hear Durrty Goodz diss track already. War has started. The message has been sent

    May 26, 2019
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  74. The Buzz Inc said:

    So you guys are mad that drake is trendy lol

    May 27, 2019
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  75. MetalSonic420 said:

    These people obviously don't like Drake.

    May 27, 2019
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  76. rome368 said:

    He is doing what he has always done he is acting just like he did on Degrassi. He can memorize a script eg, lyrics act like a rapper, singer or reggae artist and recite it over a beat. All facts

    May 28, 2019
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  77. Nathanking99 said:

    This stupid girl using Japanese name and call other people culture vultures?
    Loving and Adopting other peoples culture is not a bad thing
    (I'm black) This kind of black people are just want to add feul to the hate they don't care about the culture,

    May 29, 2019
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  78. Prod. Purls said:

    Dude in yellow WAKE UP and hop straight out the bed with somethin to bitch about

    May 30, 2019
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  79. Samontae Hubbard said:

    Toastings influence came from American disc jockeys

    June 10, 2019
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  80. hokus pokus said:

    he didnt put no uk artist on he just jumped on thier shit trust me

    June 11, 2019
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  81. Jamie Banks said:

    27:49 How does McGregor have anything to do with the UK music scene, if they are gonna talk about it, use artists such as Giggs, Sampha, who all have major parts or verses within the More Life album or Skepta etc. All these facts they discuss are completely irrelevant. Also, Toronto is a place where there are many different cultures from around the world, so he is “culture appropriating” to suit all of them.

    June 12, 2019
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  82. Lebogang Seleleko said:

    So all I had to be instead of a hip hop journalist is to just be a hater of Drake to get on this "discussion". Why didn't you let me know?

    June 15, 2019
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  83. Michael Lapalme said:

    So were Wu-Tang Clan culture vultures?

    When Dipset was putting all that orchestra/symphony music in every single beat… culture vultures?

    Lil Jon with that Ozzy Osbourne Crazy Train song?

    UFC fighters using Muay Thai but they aren’t from Thailand?

    …recreational outrage

    June 18, 2019
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  84. G Mono said:

    Boy I would have hit them with some factz B 🤣🤣

    June 21, 2019
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  85. L unan said:

    FUCKKK DRAKE PERIODDDTTT

    June 27, 2019
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  86. WANDILE BHEMBE said:

    some people are really dumb

    July 3, 2019
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  87. Angel Magana Galicia said:

    So we just going to ignore he stole xxxtentacion song

    July 5, 2019
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  88. TITG said:

    lmao "he hasn't put people on" Skepta, Dave ? not to talk of the American features and co-signs he has done…smh just say you don't like the man and keep it pushing

    July 17, 2019
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  89. Retro_87 said:

    “Hater niggas marry hater bitches and have hater kids” … This chick & mouse nigga definitely some born, bred HATERS 🤦🏽‍♂️

    July 18, 2019
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  90. Ben McInerney said:

    Did this bitch just say drake took a picture with Conor McGregor when he wanted to connect with a UK music.

    July 30, 2019
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  91. invs ink said:

    He's an actor

    July 31, 2019
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  92. VAWN said:

    Drake is not a culture vulture, he’s a wave rider 😂. He puts them on but the minute that wave runs out, so does he. He uses them and throw them away.

    August 7, 2019
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  93. Frank Jones said:

    Ain't that the girl who wish drake die in a plane crash?

    August 26, 2019
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  94. Aamra Kamran said:

    Fuck yeah!

    August 26, 2019
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  95. Javier Catus said:

    4 lames

    August 27, 2019
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  96. Gamer Guy said:

    their not hating on drake they spitting facts, look at look alive by blobkboy it was so hype but you dont hear that drake anymore and he doesn't fw him no more

    September 22, 2019
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  97. Dryames said:

    Man said an animorph🤦🏾‍♂️🤣

    September 29, 2019
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  98. darara abdissa said:

    Does a vultures work for there food no they just watch other predictors hunt then swoops in when it's just the right time to eat eat off of someone else's hard work. He's a Canadian ffs what culture do they have when it comes to music because it definitely ain't that shit. Guys your asleep and drake can see that so he's taking advantage of people and your the sucks for believing in them lies. He is what he is because you allows him to be and I for one am glade people are talking about it. Bring back real artists that do it themselves and help those without taking away from the people they help and stop acting like you is something you not.

    October 17, 2019
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  99. Xymph said:

    Then them London cats stole drill so stop the dum shit and shut up

    October 30, 2019
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  100. In The Mix Radio said:

    Drake is a true sellout.

    November 5, 2019
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