Does our society incentivize disinformation? | Daniel Schmachtenberger


So if I’m in a competitive game and I have
some information about reality, the reality of the playing field that I’m in then that
information can be a source of strategic competitive advantage against whoever I’m competing
against and so I have an incentive to withhold that information from other players and maybe
even disinform the other players. So we see this is actual games. This is bluffing in poker. This is fake left and go right in soccer,
football. But we also would see this in keeping the
knowledge to ourselves of where the water is or where the goal is from another tribe
or another kingdom or whatever and maybe even trying to throw them off the scent trail with
an intentional leaked fake treasure map that has them going the wrong direction so they
don’t accidentally discover what we discovered. Things like that. So within a rival risk context where information
is strategic competitive advantage there is an incentive to disinform. And as we get increasing information technology
which is media technology and computational technology and statistics and all these things
we have, we really have exponential information processing but applied to disinformation,
the incentive to disinform we have exponential disinformation capacity which means the ability
to customize inflammatory, fake news, propaganda, narrative warfare to specific demographics
and all the way down to specific types of people that are the types that are most likely
for that person to believe, be upset by, affect their actions. So we see with social media platforms like
Facebook the capacity to be able to target the things that are going to be the stickiest
for an individual and the stickiest often is by appealing to limbic hijacks of what
is scariest to them or hits addiction buttons the most or creates a sense of ingroup-outgroup
dynamic or things like that. So when you think about having a society that
has an incentive to both withhold information and to disinform and you think about a huge
number of different agents who all have increasing disinformation capacities and you also think
about the radical asymmetry between an individual just trying to make sense of the world and
a huge platform like Facebook or Google or a company that is doing split test, optimized
marketing you have an asymmetric information warfare of the largest powers in the world
with agendas that are not the same as the agenda of the individual for themselves being
put forth on radically powerful information technology platforms. So you look at the world today and whether
it’s climate change or whether it’s what the extent of the damage at Fukushima is or
what the actual tactical capabilities of North Korea are or how long we actually have with
coral die off or most any of the things that are the most critical issues in the world. What goal other countries or what effect other
countries had in influencing U.S. elections. No one really knows the most important things
clearly to be able to inform good choice-making even about how we survive as a species. So this is critical when we’re trying to
understand the current information ecology.

39 Comments

  1. Rian 47 said:

    Amazing info

    November 4, 2019
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  2. jj said:

    spoiler: yes

    November 4, 2019
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  3. Just Some Bigfoot With Internet Access said:

    I guess society is like: Lets incentivize dis information

    November 4, 2019
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  4. - HADOUKEN- said:

    Yes mass media, and the news. They disinform to push their agendas.

    November 4, 2019
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  5. An Imperial Guard said:

    There are ten thousand genders and "Nazi activism" is on the rise…

    November 4, 2019
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  6. brightdays arehere said:

    Yes by still watching the same news organizations that have been proved liars millions of times

    November 4, 2019
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  7. rictus grin said:

    "Does our society incentivize disinformation?" . . . yep, yep and yep . . . just ask mainstream media – they make a living off of divisive, defamatory, hack-filled disinformation . . .

    November 4, 2019
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  8. Rupert Morris said:

    The agenda of the individual should be in line with the agenda of society. The fact that we have this adversarial relationship within our society IS the most important piece of information. Societal cohesion is breaking down due to usury and multiculturalism: ie due to globalism. Yet to say so would be discribed as misinformation. It's not. It's not in my interest for this to be true, it is terrible that it is true, because it means our society is heading in the wrong direction and it will hurt to turn it around. But it is true.
    Life isn't about power, it is about truth. All these thinkers and philosophers I keep hearing fundamentally misunderstand this. Most dissidents are not trying to gather power: they are trying to protect their society from break down.

    November 4, 2019
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  9. Sir Cliff said:

    disliked for no reason

    November 4, 2019
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  10. T S said:

    This is why Free Speech is so essential for a democratic society.
    Also Critical Thinking needs to be taught at schools. As most people are shockingly bad at it.

    November 4, 2019
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  11. Will Oliveira said:

    DOES CAPITALISM SUSTAIN THE REGIME UNDER A CULTURE OF MISINFORMATION? yes.

    November 4, 2019
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  12. electro baroque said:

    There is no solution for that that affects information itself, and any 'solution' that does is dangerous for the freedom of the Internet. The only way is affecting people by teaching them to be skeptical. You have to even be skeptical of social media giants labeling 'trusted sources'.

    November 4, 2019
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  13. Hashslingingslasher said:

    If you're talking about murica, just look at your left wing media and you'll have your answer.

    November 4, 2019
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  14. rapunzel eh? said:

    uh… DER!!! look around…. if people don't like the truth, they make up another one…. and media helps with that by inventing 'deep state' stuff to explain why are the guilty are REALLY innocent – simply victims in a horrible underground conspiracy…

    November 4, 2019
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  15. Robert Scott said:

    yah, algorithms for corporate growth that radicalize populations. it's been time to regulate it.

    November 4, 2019
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  16. Wendy Lady said:

    Corporatism owns MSM & insentivises society, by also using the tech' industry to 'programme' the unwitting masses, abusing their over privileged position & self entitled pathology, investing huge sums into psyops on SM.

    November 4, 2019
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  17. ÅṩṩȞαт⓸ʬ3 said:

    the biggest misinformation i've seen was on social media its this video right here were watching now

    November 4, 2019
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  18. ÅṩṩȞαт⓸ʬ3 said:

    dont listen to social media watch tv drink aspartame soda eat gmo and support your troops

    November 4, 2019
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  19. Djl said:

    True, but there's some good information out there too. Like this?

    November 5, 2019
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  20. Max Ramsahoye said:

    Great to see Daniel, a radical social thinker, on a more mainstream channel, It is rare and invaluable to have such incisive analysis that addresses the root causes of social instability and conflict. Only by the systems thinking demonstrated by Daniel and Peter Joseph can we expose underlying structural problems; in this case the perverse incentive structure of competing actors in capitalism and the deficiencies of proprietary information.

    November 5, 2019
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  21. cybersekkin said:

    Answer is yes. For news, the goal is to get people to open the article so they clickbait and look for the most salacious thing they can find and failing that make it up. For people, many are just looking for upvotes or followers – see news for a similar drive. For Google, twitter, facebook, they are looking to advertise crud to us and get us upset because it gets more engagement and sales than a level head.

    November 5, 2019
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  22. Born in Providence said:

    “No one is going to give you the education you need to overthrow them. Nobody is going to teach you your true history, teach you your true heroes, if they know that that knowledge will help set you free.”
    Assata Shakur

    November 5, 2019
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  23. Marco Sosa said:

    Vato sounds n looks like TERENCE MCKENNA.

    November 5, 2019
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  24. Analogy Accepted said:

    Yup.

    November 5, 2019
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  25. Ekim Yazici said:

    Bravo.

    November 5, 2019
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  26. spijkerpoes said:

    It's like a fungus on the scientific methode

    November 5, 2019
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  27. Rio said:

    yes, have you seen the amount misinformations regarding china all over social media?

    November 5, 2019
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  28. ExtantFrodo2 said:

    Yes, the challenge is to create the most believable fake. One certainly often gets commendations for that.

    November 5, 2019
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  29. Self Elements said:

    Split test optimize marketing.

    November 5, 2019
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  30. ExtantFrodo2 said:

    Indeed, all this is true in a rivalrous society. Can we stop being shunted through the Malthusian error of this all being a zero-sum-game. Like Bucky Fuller pointed out so clearly – we are doing ever more with ever less and so making the pie grow bigger at a faster rater than our population growth. Anything else is misinformation.

    In short, Malthus was wrong because he did not account for human ingenuity particularly in the era after his thesis. The solution is not fewer people or more raping of the planet. More people means more problem solvers and that is why Malthus was wrong.

    November 5, 2019
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  31. IdleBigots said:

    No. Our society positively glorifies and exalts in misinformation, bad evidence, and belief claims. It's why we're fucked and it's not going to get any better.

    November 5, 2019
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  32. 351cleavland said:

    "Limbic Hijacking" is a very appropriate term and could be a great desgination for the 2010s-2020s.

    November 5, 2019
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  33. Ur1z13l said:

    A lot of good information in a short video. Cool guy.

    November 6, 2019
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  34. Iago Silva said:

    Problem: society is stylized as a competitive game
    Solution: rig the game so that it becomes coop with friendly fire
    So where's my Nobel at, Dixie?

    November 6, 2019
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  35. ashwater skydust said:

    Yes

    November 6, 2019
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  36. rhijulbec1 said:

    OMG! That bloody meditation advert has played no less than 16 times. Every fucking video I open has that gawddamn thing playing. I'm literally pounding the keyboard to stop that thing in 5 seconds.
    FFS mix it up a bit! Geeezisssss X!

    November 9, 2019
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  37. Invox said:

    If by "society" you mean "interested parties", then absolutelly.

    November 11, 2019
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  38. Beth Bartlett said:

    Please address this subject
    The MS Media and MS News Media – overtly fosters the Public in fear, paranoias, and prejudices – and is applying *"the Psychology of Advertising" to "Commentaries" and has a strong influence in Manipulating and Controlling the Viewer Base – it has created such a rift that it literally is at a level that can be considered a threat of treasonous act upon this country. They can evoke chaos at any point.

    "They" being the Global Elite which own 100% of the Associated Press and 95% of MS News. Also own the Federal Reserve Bank CORPORATION, and the Primary owner is the "Go to Source" for War Loans – (much much more in ownership than this)
    The 2 key persons are neither Citizens nor Residents of the USA.

    See also:
    Balfour Declaration
    Who own our Birth Certificates and trades on the daily on the NYSE?
    Who owns/manages/cashes the checks of the IRS

    Who established and owns the CIA?

    We absolutely do not have a Free Media and we are absolutely living in a silent Totalitarian run Society.

    They do not have Term Limits.

    2 most powerful tools for influencing the Public:
    Information/News
    Money/Currency – the Fed

    Please – where are the Real Journalists "?"

    Do something –

    Recommended Watch:
    "The Century of the Self"

    November 29, 2019
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